Yoona - I'm not going to repost all of your pictures. I didn't see anything that needed correcting on them. You did very good on all of them.

Here are the one's that got deleted -


Ewall [attachmentid=5188][attachmentid=5189]

John Campo [attachmentid=5190][attachmentid=5191][attachmentid=5192]

Jack W [attachmentid=5193][attachmentid=5194][attachmentid=5195][attachmentid=5196]
[attachmentid=5197]

thanks joan
i plan on doing some more practice with lesson also--i think i have the rest of the week off !!!! yeah!!! and doing lesson two. thanks again
Lori

I hope that I understood the assignment and have done the lessons right. Anyway, I have done several different poses and think this is as good as I can do them right now.


[attachmentid=5244][attachmentid=5245]



Will continue to practice as I have time this week.

i hope i done it right . Here is what i did for the frist exercise. Hope you can see all the steps i took like stick figure then the bones then the outline of thr figure. ,

fun to do.

Now that the real life and work issues are out of the way I could again concentrate on the figure drawing class.... and I hope to be able to concentrate more than I did last week, even though teacher was kind enough to give me a pass.

Now Miss Joanie.. I know you said to only post one drawing in the first exercise, however I found I was having a little bit of trouble constructing the side view of the manequin. So I'm submitting Fig.2 as my assignment but I am also posting one side view (Fig.7) for your kind critique and advice.

Thank you so much for all you are putting into this - the lesson continue to be challenging and informative at the same time.

[attachmentid=5251]

I am posting both drawings for lesson 2.

Judyvan

Here are some critiques on your drawings.

Sorry if I'm a little harsh..........I don't really mean to be.

Meow [attachmentid=5254]

Shutterbug [attachmentid=5256][attachmentid=5255]

JudyVan [attachmentid=5257][attachmentid=5258]

Rose [attachmentid=5259]

If you have any questions or you feel confused about something - don't hesitate to ask.

[quote name='painter48' date='May 16 2007, 01:51 PM' post='21131']
Here are some critiques on your drawings.

Sorry if I'm a little harsh..........I don't really mean to be. [quote]


Critique is good...that's how we learn and improve! Keep it coming

Thank you Joanie. I've done some more. You don't have to download it and mark it... just take a look at it and tell me good, or so so or you need to do more.

Thanks

here is my first exercise for lesson 2. I hope This is what you are looking for....

John

Rose these are good and I like the poses. You've done well with them.

For some reason though, on the first one...........his shoulders are too wide. I've noticed this in a lot of your drawings, try this............the shoulders should be 2 1/3 heads wide.............that could be where your measuring is off.

I know what my mistake is Joanie. I do measure the 2 to 2 1/3 heads but then when I put in the arms in the frontal position I'm adding the shoulders again whereas I suppose the top of the rhomboid should include the top of the arms as well right?

John Campo - [attachmentid=5263]



Yep,Rose, that is correct.......the arms hinge down from the ends of the clavicle. I'm glad you are able to figure out what you were doing wrong.......that is part of the learning experience and the measuring. Good job, keep up the practicing, these angles can be tough sometimes.

*******************************************
For Everyone:
I cannot stress enough how important the measuring is for everyone!! Measure and then go back and measure again. If you can't get the measuring correct you will never be able to get a figure drawn in the correct proportions.

OK Mrs. Joanie...Here are my two parts of the Lesson 2.... Be nice to me I have had to deal with 2 toddlers fighting all day and tried doing it inbetween.. No seriously the only one I don't care much for and may try to do over is the manikin drawing. For some reason it did not agree with my hands.

here is my darwing for exerise 2 of this lesson

Here are a couple more:

Meow - [attachmentid=5269]

Venus - [attachmentid=5270][attachmentid=5271]

Ok Mrs. Joanie...I guess I read the directions wrond in between breaking up fights between the 2 and 3 yr olds today..LOL. One minute they are great together the next they are fighting each other for a toy. I swear you would think these two were sisters, but they are only cousins. So, you basically wanted something like I was doing, right? Where there is minimal drawing and just the basic outline contour of a person? I will get to working on it soon.

Yes, pretend that the manikin is a person and draw it.....A nice figure drawing using the skills that you have already learned. But I will say that you did a really great drawing of a manikin and that deserves a gold star!!!! LOL Hopefully the kiddies will give you a break.

[attachmentid=5273]

lets try this again....

John

Joanie,
Quote:"MY COMMENTARY: So far, only 2 people have totally completed their exercises and tomorrow night is your deadline. This tells me that there are a lot of people signed up who are not going to continue. Which is fine with me. I will continue the class as promised. My personal feelings are that I do not feel that these lessons are very hard but if you do not have the basics, you will never learn it. If you were to take a life drawing class, you would be asked to do all that and more in a one hour lesson and I have given a week. This tells me the interest level is low and the class is not what everyone thought it would be. I would very much like to hear some feedback on this so that I can adjust whatever needs adjusting. I will continue with the classes until the end for those that are participating." Joanie

I know I'm not a member of this first class, but I did want to be, and did look at the first lesson. I thought maybe if you wanted feedback, I'd give you mine, if that's ok.
About the lessons being "not very hard", well, to me, the first one was somewhat difficult. Now, that's just me, and for someone else or everybody else, they might not be, but again, we are all at different levels I suppose.
Next, I thought there was a lot to do for the lesson, but seeing as how my time was so limited, I guess it might have seemed like that to me. Just my opinion.
Interest Level: I think the interest level is great, but I'm just thinking, the time constraints outweigh the effort needed to do a good job, again, my own circumstances only.
About the class not being what we expected, I didn't really know what to expect, but I did sort of have my mindset in a different mode I suppose, but after seeing the first lesson, I think it's a great class!
About the lessons themselves, just having the first one, I only have an opinion about that one, so I can't comment on the rest. I got somewhat confused as to what I was supposed to do as far as the homework. Maybe I'm just slow, but I somehow lost track and wondered if you wanted a certain figure, or if I was supposed to create my own, or exactly what the directions were. Now mind you, this is from me, and if you knew my skill level, it might seem like I'm complaining a lot, or just a dunce
Joanie, these are just my personal opinions, and totally being honest with you, and I know you'll take them all with the idea in mind, that I hope maybe in the winter months, you'll offer them again, when time is more to be had to draw, and to complete each class lesson. I've followed the class so far, and do wish, I had the time to sit and complete the course completely. It sure looks like you've put in an awlful lot of work into this. For someone to grade your homework and return it with marks it just great!!
Once more, I do hope in later future, you'll think about offering this class again. It's not that I didn't want to take it this time, but the summer surely shortens the time I can dedicate to drawing. I know you have to make the time for anything,but my own grandchildren and supporting them with sports does take a precedent. Plus, my grass grows 2" every day, Joanie, I appreciate you letting me see the first lesson, and I'm so in awe of your dedication to this class. I'm sure each student will come out a winner. Good luck with the rest of the classes. Feel free to pm me if I've said anything unkind or offensive, I surely hope I didn't. Only my opinions and those seem to be valuable to only myself

Jonsie

Jonsie - thank you for being so candid. I really appreciate it and do not take offense at it at all. I truly understand how some people have to work and support their families and we cannot all take out the time for this type of project. I have no problem with that at all. When I made that commentary, I had 36 people signed up for the class and as of today only 22 are actively participating, I was a little discouraged.

I have tried to make the 2nd and 3rd classes much easier. It is just that figure drawing is one of the hardest things to learn to do because there is so much to consider and learn in order to do it. I actually had thought that the first class wasn't hard at all........it was mostly copy work. Everyone who did their homework did really well. I guess it is just up to the individual on determining how difficult it is, like you said. Also, there are a certain amount of people who cannot understand written directions.........they need one on one help with drawing in order to learn. That's what I am here for.

I am appreciative of all of the students who have been able to take time out of their busy lives to participate. I also appreciate any and all comments or feedback regarding the classes.

Thanks, Jonsie

Joanie

Joanie,
Whew, now I can sleep tonight!! I was so afraid I'd said something all wrong and hurt your feelings, which I'd have cut of my drawing hand first, I do think everyone in the class is doing so good also, which might just be a reflection on the teacher I'm sure there are others who next time, will take advantage of your skills as a teacher, and an artist. Have a great day! And thanks for not hitting me on the knuckles with that ruler!! Cya around

Jonsie

" I had 36 people signed up for the class and as of today only 22 are actively participating, I was a little discouraged. "

I thought I signed up but I kept waiting and never got a lesson. But that's ok, I'm accustomed to learning on my own.

And Joanie, I think you are doing a terrific job.

BRB - Why didn't you tell me you didn't receive the lessons? I sent Lesson #1 to you at your Yahoo address and did not receive it back as undeliverable so I had to assume you got it and just chose not to participate. If you want me to resend it, I will. I'm sure you will be able to catch up with the others as it is a beginner class and you would be more classified as an advanced artist.



Jonsie - how could I be mad at you? I think its great that you were so up front and truthful with your opinions. How would I be able to tell if I'm doing a good job or not if I don't get positive and negative feedback? I'm seeing some really good drawings coming forth from this and am very proud of the ones who are giving it their all.

I am not sure this is what I needed but I am working on it. This seems to be harder than I thought. Great lessons. What a great way to force myself out of the comfort thing. And by the way. I really need my eraser. I am having withdrawals.

I definitely need critique you wonderful teachers.. So fire away.

These are really good John! - Keep up the good work.




Hey Cyn - these are really good. The only problem I have is with the manikin. Although he is drawn really well, I was wanting a figure drawing from the position that the manikins were in. I think a lot of you were confused by this. Its the finished figure drawing that I'm looking for not a drawing of a manikin.

However, those of you who drew the manikin really did a good job of drawing it. LOL

As I am reading everyone elses posts I think I too have fallen into the mannequin drawing mode and not the contour but I'm posting anyhow for some guidance.Just getting over the second bout of stomach flu this year graciously donated by my 5 year old nephew.

These look good Tim. The second one should be more of a figure drawing. But its a good drawing none the less.

So sorry to hear about you getting the flu, again! What a bummer! Been there and done that myself. Plenty of fluids and good ole chicken soup...........................Get yourself well so you can enjoy this beautiful spring weather.

I'm gonna do another I'm actually starting to get the hang of it

Exercise 1~Gestural Drawing..
This was a bit of a challenge to draw the pelvic angle, and the shoulder from a side profile.
Here's my attempt.

Exercise 2~ Mid Point, Top Point,Bottom Point

Chloe - try this one again - only don't draw a manikin - draw a figure instead. The manikin is only there to show you the pose. This is a hard pose, I'm glad you chose it.

[attachmentid=5294]

Wow!
You guys did a lot of work.
I just went through the pages after pages of drawings and stuff.
Good work all.

This is really a great challenge for me. I can some what draw a figure looking at a figure but drawing a figure looking at a manikin, is a lot harder than I thought. I have gone through a lot of paper and just can't seem to get it yet. But I WILL!! One of these drawings will just finally click and I will get it. Until then, I will keep my pencils handy.

Joanie, I am afraid I am going to bow out of the figure drawing class. I have been having such a hard time downloading the lessons, it's Wed. before I even get them to print and I don't like being behind. Maybe I'll stick to weekly challenges, I don't have to download them!! I think the lessons are great, and would like to try again another time. Thanks for all your hard work preparing them and then going over all the drawings, that's alot of work!! Elizabeth

here are my two lessons for the week. i am not sure about the manikan. i drew lots of them in different poses but think this one turned out the best. for some reason i am not making the legs long enough or the chest to wide maybe. everyone is doing great though
Lori

Ok Mrs. Joanie, sorry this picture isn't as good as I can do. I admit it looks horrible. I think I may have to go to the doctor and have my right hand looked at at or just give it a break for a few days. I have been writting non stop for a few days and my wrist is killing me, but I wanted to redo this last exercise before the weekend. I think I have a touch of carpal tunnel in the right hand and after excessive writting and drawing it gets really painful. At least I have to work over the weekend and it gives it a little break for a few days. That and I am going to buy a wrist and hand support bandage today as well that will work so I can do what I love doing...LOL.

Joanie.


I think you are doing a really great job with the figure drawing lessons. Thank you for all your hard work in making them.

I did not find the first lesson that hard . It was very basic to me. .But that is what the first lesson should be basic. We need to know the basic to start. The homework wasn't to hard to get done.

The second lesson was on the skeleton and bones. I was a little confused on what you wanted done for the first assignment. To me it read that you wanted a basic stick figure then over that the bones and then the out line of the figure. Witch was a little challenging, to drawing. The bones in the figure .I thought it was a good idea.It helped me understand the figure more. And sine the lesson was on the bones . I think people should draw them. But you only wanted the figure witch is ok. So on second assignment i never put bones in . So that assignment was not hard to do.

I hope that you don't make next lessons to easy to do ,cause you are right figure drawing is hard to learn.

I understand we are all a different leaves in this course . So i guess some people my find them a little hard . But having them little hard makes people learn better . We should be challenged in the lessons or we will not improve our work. We need realize that in order to learn we need to put the time in to the lesson . The more time spend on drawing the better we get.

i understand you felt bad that you had 31 students at first then now have a lot less . . The ones that will stay and finish out the course are the ones that really want learn and are willing to be challenged . They will get most out the lessons .

Good morning Miss Joanie - hello class!

I have my second exercise for this week but I don't think I'm very happy with it.

I have a problem with sideways views because I can never determine the depth - to say nothing of perspective! Is there any objective measurement of the depth of a person or did I miss something. I'm not talking about the width from shoulder to shoulder or the width of the pelvis. I'm talking about front to back.... of course in relation to the skeleton because I can assure you my depth is much bigger that yours!!

If I did miss something just tell me to go read the lessons again!

Hi All - can't believe it's end of the week already. Here are my trials for this week. The Ex2 was so tough. Can't quiet get the angles/tilt of her hip and shoulder... among other things

**Revised: Redrew the Ex2

Aww... is it too late to start?

Hi All.

here is my lesson 2.....Cyn can I borrow your giant eraser Joanie gave you...lol... this sure is a challenge for me.

[attachmentid=5330] Hope I'm not to late. These were a problum to me and they still suck.

Hi

Here are my exercises of lesson 2.

Rafael

Lesson 2 Practical Exorcise 1 and 2

Sabu Kudo - Yes, unfortunately it is too late to jump into this class, its been going for about 3 weeks now. I'll put your name on the list for the next sign up for this class.

Thank you for the third lesson Miss Joanie - now there's a bit of muscle to chew through!

I'm not quite sure what you meant by the first exercise... did you want the main muscle groups showing or did you want us to draw the skin over them. I'm attaching what I did this morning after studying the lesson. If this is not what was required then please just let me know.

Thank you once again for all your patience (and kindly excuse the rough lines and shading in this one.. I couldn't find my drawing glasses this morning! )

[attachmentid=5358]

Edited to add another exercise in case this is what you are after. This is from imagination, constructed using the 8 head and triangles method and adding some shading following the above drawings and keeping the light source in mind.

[attachmentid=5359]

These are my sketches for Lesson 2.

Thanks Joanie for lesson 2, and thanks for sending me lesson 3.
I redid Exercise one..and am posting it with lesson 2.
The head is a wee bit tiny for the rest of the body proportions. I just realized it when I am seeing it here. He does look kinda of athletic though
I got carried away and wrote some of the bones name beside the figure.

Again I'll get my exercises in right under the wire.

[attachmentid=5367][attachmentid=5369]

I confess I did a lot of erasing, though I left the underdrawings wherever I could.

Thought I'd get to work a little earlier this week.

Lesson 3 Practical Exercise 1 Contour showing muscle mass