You are nearly there, Kay - but...

This is so frustrating, because I'm sure that, face-to-face, Steve or I could teach you this once-and-for-all, in less than 5 mins.

It shows the limitations of trying to communicate online.

Do you have skype on your computer, by any chance?


Dave

I dont dave..my laptop probably wouldnt even have the room for it

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Try keeping that 3rd eye shut. I think that's the problem...

k. i will def keep it in mind..I hope you guys dont mind me drawing a different house, as I would prefer to burn this one now..

lmao..you are too much

Try something simple. Try your own house! Go sit in the garden and try it from life!

Your eye-level, and the horizon-line, are the level at which receding lines on the walls (edges of windows, doors, etc) do not slope up or down.

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The horizon line MUST lie between these.

O that i think did it dave..now i am excited again...

that was great i see the straight line would have to go between them.

gee thanks Kay..lol..now Im going to have to give that building a try you have pushed the curiousity button for me
Kat

its a great building isnt it? we should have perspective challenges and what not here too..I really am starting to get the hang of it..so many thanks

yes, I do agree that perspective would be a good topic..good suggestion Kay, and thank you Dave and Steve for your time and patience as I think I can learn something from this
Kat

I suck at perspective .. Remember that sidewalk that was in front of the building where Steves wife was standing .. It's a wonder she didn't slide off of it !! You're a brave soul .. I tried ..

i have a question, is it true that one vp is always on the page and one vp is always off the page?

No. Both could be on the page or both could be off the page.

Often, but not always - the issue is that the vp's for a building with a right-angled corner will be at 90º to each other, on the horizon, while a more typical field of view framed by a painting will be 45º-60º.

One, both, or neither might be on, depending on both the angle of the building to us, and also how "widescreen" the composition is.

...sun came out for a little bit..hooray, i went outdoors and enjoyed it for a bit, and took my paper and picture out to the swing..I really hope this one is right..* sigh*..i am beginning to feel as though I will never get it..I have these sudden sparks of 'oh yeah!' then comes the paper and I cant do it.

i really think the best way for me to do this is find some pics, mark where i think the eye line should be then you guys tell me if I am right..obviously that is my problem the very basic eye line, I mean if i cant point that out correctly there is really no point in me drawing it thru

so i am going to scout around, find a few, mark where i feel the line should be, then you guys tell me why that isnt the right place ok?

i always forget the pic

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i am understanding horizon line and eye line are one and the same, so these images must be marked correctly right?

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and without an obvious horizon line in the bkground I have marked these...

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Yes!



Yes, they all look about right, to me - one might quibble slightly about exact heights, but they are all roughly correct - "by George she's got it, I think she's got it"

Now once you have a reasonable horizon line ALL the VPs for that scene go on that line,

cool..that is great..now lets see what more messes i can create..thanks guys.

ok. now I know where the eye line is. we have established that much..

Up late Dave? or Early? This mentoring is getting to you mate!

i thought i would drive myself absolutely bonkers today, I have been scrabbling with this one all day, and all in all at least we can tell it has corners..instead of my usual panoramic style it was a real hard one for me, so excuse the mess from all the erasing, beauty will come later,..


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You really like to step up to a challenge don't you?

This is not bad, but there are a few glaring mistakes. The main one I see is the main roof line! It's way off from the other perspective lines. All the red lines (more or less) arrive at the same point. But the roof line (green) is going way off!

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I suspect that the height of the building is much more than you have it, thus causing this distortion. Have you got the photo to post up?

I still think you need to get something simple under your belt before you tackle subjects like this!

i thought you might say that

here is the image, it was so very pretty i just had to give her a go, it is some castle i think
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Are you sure?

oops, i got it right this time,

lol. That's better. Yes it is lovely! Looks a little like my place here in Devon. I'm gonna have a look at this tomorrow and see if I can't do something with it. What size paper are you working on?

MY PAPER KEEPS GROWING!!! and still i run out of room

that is half sheet of water color paper that i had used the back of, ( i save all my mess ups and use the backs for things like this)

I need to learn how to keep it much smaller

I've just put a few lines over this and they don't line up! The tower on the right hand side, the VP for the perspective lines is way above the VP on the left hand side! This may be a photo that's been 'enhanced' at some time, to make it look better, but in fact has made it askew to reality! No wonder you had trouble with it.

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steve i am very glad you took the time to point this out..because i kept trying to make that line straight, as i was told the eye line should always be straight, and it wasnt working out..lol..so thanks,
and i really do hope you feel better soon

Like your place in Devon, Steve??? I have a bridge I can sell you.......looks a bit like a coathanger.........crosses a lovely little harbour.......great views........

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That'll go nicely over the lake.

that building is so unique, what is it anyway, i have seen it before, is it like an auditorium?

It's the local mosque.

Yes the Muslim population down along Bennalong Point is growing quite rapidly, and the acoustics are wonderful for the call to prayer!

I can see that over the lake Steve..........I'll just work out a price

you have a view of this building from your home? wow!

Naughty Steve

Sydney Opera House.


Look what I just bought at the supermarket!

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A folding ruler! Perfect for working out angles and perspective lines!

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TOOLS TOOLS TOOLS http://www.entertonement.com/clips/wnznxhw...ent-Tim-Taylor-

COOL! I want one..I shall keep that on my list for my next supply shopping spree

Be creative .. bet Hubby could make you one ..

Surely you must have forgotten about marriage, YES, he could make me one, but i would grow very old waiting for it to happen..

You don't understand men at all do you? Just tell him you need to buy a folding ruler, and they only cost $145

That one cost me ?1.45 which is about $2.00 I think?

very cool ruler but I cant get over steves house look alike and sues bridge ..I have a forrest forsale ...ok ok its not a real forrest but it is a large group of trees that have many welcoming bugs . I could mail it in sections .

Your castle kay at first looked slanted but unless it is me only the picture did as well ... and no I have not been through any drive thrus lol

Oh and I went ahead and pinned your topic .. it seems to be a popular one and holds some very needful things .

there it is, i have been looking for this ruler thingy to show hubby, remember the carpenter rulers that folded up like an accordion, he has one downstairs, i am tempted to break it to where i need it, I wonder if he would notice??

how about a hole, as though you were looking straight into a hole in the ground, how would that work?

This would be similar to looking up at a skyscraper - you'd use three-point perspective, with VP's on the horizon-line, and one vertical VP downward, well below the horizon - and typically well below the bottom of your drawing sheet, so that vertical walls don't converge too rapidly.

(If you were looking absolutely straight down then you could treat it as one-point)