Thanks, it was a bit of a struggle and I was exhausted for 2 days.. would have been easier to built that stinking pier!

Great pic Steve ! I think I'll try my hand at it today.

It's really nice to see everyone working hard and seeing the result of all that hard work. Good going y'all !

I agree.

lol..steve, i am here, your one big pain for the day and I am now going to save this pic, i am all set up in my screen house yaaay..sunshine always improves my mood and begin to try..I am really quite excited about it all..
no big deal to you guys, but it is a very big deal to me

Good luck! and remember! It's just a piece of paper. I'm gonna have a go at it myself now.

OK. Here's my attempt. This took just under an hour.

I really like this last pic. I think I have to participate. I'll put my kids to bed and give a try.

wow..you are really good at this Steve..

I've started with mine. I'm guessing it'll take some time.

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Interesting. I started with the roof and one side of the arch! Here. The dot is my VP.

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This gave me some idea of the scale. From here I was able to measure (roughly?) other points in the picture.

Actually, I made almost the same. I made few pencil lines slightly, but you can't see them. I can Now I'm building all other things around these lines.

Well, I'm done. Messed up with some things, but don't have mood to do it again. So, here it is.

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those are great guys,

my alley seems to tunnel to low..but i am getting it, it was a real challenge and kept me scratching my head all afternoon..lol..

These are both looking great! Well done both.

Somebody else wanna post up a photo?

thats great, those windows really had me. I also notice, that on one side i tend to draw using the lower half of the ruler and on the other i tend to use the back or upper side, once i started using the same side of the ruler that made things alot easier too.

lol, I do that!

Not sure if this is a good one or not.. took this in Cape May NJ
Maybe a bit to busy.. will keep looking..
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that is a good one to try airscapes..it looks quite challenging

i actually started mine at the windows closest to me,..is there a particular part you should always look for as a starting point?

I started with the main upright corner of the building. The red line. This will obviously need to fit on the page!. Next, I measured the green lines to give me the boundary of the building, the blue lines. Everything else goes inside these boundaries! Because this is a complicated subject, and I've started it on just an A5 sketchpad, I shall probably abandon this attempt! If I do decide to comit to this, I would print it out and take some proper measurements.

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Very beautiful building. I just need to draw that.

ok, i havent given up, i am now just starting, had some unexpected matters to attend to but i am beginning on it now

look at all those windows!

Hey! I'm kind of new round here, and this is my first post and also my first drawing for this topic, so.. I hope you like it and I really look forward for your comments, both good and bad.
I'm not such a big fan of details so I skipped some, and the shadow is also only a sketch, I made it really fast.

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A very warm welcome to you fleur. This is a wonderful sketch. Simplifying the subject is perfectly fine in my book! I hope you will join in other challenges. Glad you found us!

welcome too drawspace, and a great job too..

OK....Now what did I screw up on...LOL..
here it is for better or worse


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Already mailed this site to Kay, but it might be of help for you all.

Maybe I will find time to join in this.

Woohoo! I'd say that was as good as it gets!:) Well done you!

honest?? for real?? ALRIGHT!!

applauds! great job Kay and fleurdumal

thank you very much

Allright Kay ! Woot!!

Here's my quick attempt. HB pencil on cartridge paper. I like the perspective. All the rest needs more work.

There are one or two tiny discrepencies but I think You've cracked it! If you want to know what the minor dicrepencies are? Just say!

Well done. And you Alxolex, that looks pretty good too.

nah, so long as the major is right, At least i am now pointing in the right direction, thank you so much, I think practice practice practice and I will work it out now..at least I have a clue now

thank you alex, Your drawing makes it look so easy

now, for the most part, 2 point perspective is the most common for drawing I think I read some where (sheesh I have read so much on this subject) is that so? what is the most vps you have seen on a drawing

I once tried to do a drawing of a hill in Shaftsbury, Dorset Where the houses go down the hill and curve around to the right. So each house would have it's own VP. In this case, about 10. I'll see if I can dig out the photo.

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Here's a link

Gold Hill

If you have Google Earth?, Type in; Gold Hill, shaftsbury, Dorset, UK

There are loads of photos there of the Hill.

Sort of like Lombard street in San Francisco..
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6196530-lg.jpg

Hum.. maybe this is why the invented the camera....

Well the houses in Lombard street are just in straight lines, so the VPs would all be in the same place. Because the Houses on Gold Hill curve around to the right, each one would have a different VP. But they would all be on the same horizon (eye)line.

wow, 10 of em! I see mc escher does some wild things with perspective,
I have to tell you guys, it was like magic, playing with those lines, put it here it looks like that, put it there and it looks like that..it is amazing how our eyes work

cees, thank you very much for sending me the site, I have only seen about half of it, today I must get my perspective straight and get my housework done, I have neglected with my obsession of this subject

Escher is one of my favourite artists, and this, one of my favourites of his optical illusions.

Your brain will stick to the inside of your skull if you stare at that picture for too long... Wow !

I am so happy to live where Escher lived. A flat country where we always see the horizon. Makes understanding the basics of perspective a lot easier! That's where Escher started and went on to his masterpieces. He is also my favorite.

I wish I were a jetsetter so I could go visit over there.., my favorite of his is the one of him holding that ball, and all the reflections

And that's the perfect perspective drawing.

yes, I remember when i first seen this drawing..it really made an extreme impression on me..i could gaze at it forever

It was very famously used back in 1973 by Ridley Scott (Alien, Bladerunner, Gladiator, etc) for an advert for bread - which has repeatedly been voted "best advert ever":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFLBvLxLJMI

Which certainly shows what that hill is like (as well as being, as always by RS, very beautifully photographed - he started out in ads, but this is the one that gave him the break into movies).

and that's a very important principle to understand.

In anything that can be handled by "2-point" perspective, this will always be true - all vertical/horizontal walls (etc) will have all VPs on that horizon-line. ("2-point" perspective can have more than 2 VPs - if buildings are rotated relative to one another - or if you have buildings which are hexagonal, octagonal, etc - but they will all be on the horizon-line).

In "2-point" perspective all verticals are treated as "true vertical" - that is, they are drawn as parallel to the vertical edge of the paper.

I can see that a lot of progress has been made with perspective here


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OK. There is one thing about working from photos that you should be aware of. If we take this photo that airscape uploaded as an example, if you look at the far left and far right of the building, you will notice that the uprights are not upright! they lean into the photo.

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Most photographs of bulidings are going to look like this. Our brains tend to ignore this and tell us we are seeing perfectly normal verticals. But if you were to strike lines from the two far verticals, eventually, they would meet to form the third perspective point. If you were drawing a highrise tower block, this is exactly what you would want, but for a depiction of a two or three storey building, you can generally ignore this third point and draw vertical lines. The point I'm trying to make is when looking at photographs and you are trying to judge the width of a building, take measurements from the eyeline, not the roof line. The two green lines here are exactly the same length but you can clearly see the difference!

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You can of course always rectify your photograph in photoshop .

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Thanks for this, Steve - its one of the "traditions" of painting that verticals are generally shown as vertical (as per Steve's photoshop adjustment of the building) - and its one of the ways that you can often spot a self-taught artist painting from photos, that they will show verticals converging, as out of the camera.

One of the things old bellows cameras could do was to do tilt-shift of the lens to correct for this converging "keystoning" effect. (Now, with super-duper digital cameras, the manufacturers have found far more expensive ways to sell us the same functionality on the camera, with fancy - and very expensive - tilt-shift lenses)

See http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorial...cusing-ts.shtml

for a very good tutorial on tilt-shift, and

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...kon_24_pc.shtml

for a look at one of those fancy lenses (anybody got about $2000 to spare, to buy one? ) Admittedly, its a good deal more flexible than just doing keystoning correction, but then for $2000 I'd hope it would be (in fact for that price, I'd expect it to bring me breakfast in bed )