steve I ran out of space ..lol so your hat did not make much of the page . lol .

thanks for the comments and it was fun working in WC I would love to have lessons ...but one of you experts

I am sure I am trying to make it harder than it really is Steve.. Just a mental thing I suppose.. I have always been able to see what I am doing wrong when I am shown and not explained in writing.. I am like most of you males out there .. I don't like looking at the directions.. only as a last resort ..

beautiful ref pictures!!! might try my hand at painting sometime this weekend.

I hope you do just that!

Carol if i can get it, you can get it! between dave and steve I think i finally have it, after years of struggle and feeling quite stupid about it all. I have actually been in tears over perspective, literally balling my eyes out with frustration, and these guys finally reached me, they did what no one else could do, i have book after book on the subject, have driven myself crazy over the years hoping to find just the right author/teacher that may reach me, and none did, until these two took the time to help me.So I think you should give it a go with these guys and see where you get

I'm game for another threesome.

I am so jealous ...

Me too!

Great watercolours and drawings, all of you!
Thanks for the invitation - I made use of it and, as I've been doing recently, I couldn't finish it .

Sveta, it looks wonderfull. I wish I could use colours like this! They are glorious! If you think it's not finished? I would say leave it as it is. It is truely gorgeous!

Thank you! I might just as well not touch it - I find it difficult to come back to a drawing time and again. Usually spoil them.