OK...I really need someone that KNOWS perspective to check the following things on my attempt to draw my house. I habe attached both pictures. One of the actual photograph of my house at a side angle veiw in Two-Point Perspective. ( I kind of left out a few windows on purpose for the simple fact my house has to many window..lol )

Ok...On to what I need to know is correct:

~windows and siding are in correct perspective?
~vanishing points are in correct spots?
~the eye level line is straight?
~two vanishing points are on eye level line?
~trace vanishing point is directly above the vanish point on the eye level line?
~construction lines of the house or building are in correct perspective?

I really need someone who KNOWS alot about perspective to go over this and tell me what is right and wrong before I redo this picture and submit it to my art instrutor for a final grade.

Thanks Everyone who take time to HELP!!!

Windows on the right are missing. The Chimney is inset into the side of the house not just stuck to the side of the house. The angle of the left lower basement line is wrong. On the roof on the left the valley line should not be verticle to the page. It is at an angle in the picture.

just a few errors... starting from left going to right...

the top of the roof shouldnt point to the vp, its on an angle from the vp.
the gable (apex of the roof) should be more to the left, as it is equidistant between the two corners, and remember things get closer the further away they are.

the roof isnt right, the angles dont meet at the top, check the photo for how it does meet.

top of the chimmney, on the right hand side, it should point to the vp.

again, shift the apex of the roof to the right. i'll post an image soon on how to work out where.

windows should all have the same height at the top.

the end of the roof on the right hand side, altho it does start a shallower angle, isnt horizontal, so it shouldnt point to the vp.

Generally, remember eye level needs to assume a height of rougly human height, which isnt halfway up the building... drop the eyeheight down a tad to give a more realistic veiw point.

if you really want to get fancy, the double lines of the roof edge should come closer together as they get closer to the vp.

Hope this is detailed enough, I worked for an architect for 6 months, and that got perspective drummed in2 me. Its frustrating to start of with, but soon it just comes naturally, and it really does benefit your drawing.

Hi Venus, you've made an excellent start on this drawing. Its very well done. There are a couple of angles that you will need to recheck though. I'll see if I can have a go at it lunchtime today as I'm back at work again now.

Meanwhile recheck your windows, the tops and bottoms should go to your vanishing point too. Midpoint of the left section of the house is off too I believe. A good idea to get your measurements right is to mark off units in your drawing so you have a good idea of true measurement and proportion. Say your right wall of the house is 26 feet long, then place 26 marks along the bottom wall just so you can determine the relationship between placement of doors, windows, etc. Am I making sense so far?

I'm no guru in perspective and I'm sure others will chime in here too. I'll have a look at the drawing a little later today and see if I can point you in the right direction.

as promised, an illustration demonstrating how to find the point for the apex of the roof

Ok just to let everyone know I am totally confused. I have no idea where anything goes. But I will not give up. I will try again in a little while or by tonight to add another drawing of redoing it. Thanks Everyone so far for the help I really appreciate it...truely I do.

Its a bit difficult to explain in this environment so I'll add some coloured lines to your drawing to try to help you out. Its a bit too busy at work today for me to do it here, so it will have to wait til this evening.

3lansr has given a good diagram of how to find the apex of your roof. Perhaps it just needs to be in connection with the drawing for you to understand more.

Hang in there, all will be revealed!

Ok, now to answer some of your questions and I hope others will add to it too.

~windows and siding are in correct perspective?
No, the window tops and bottoms should follow through to the vanishing point and follow the same angles. Your siding seems to, but not the windows.

~vanishing points are in correct spots?
the vanishing points for the sides of the house look fine, but I'm not sure about the one for the roof line. My mind won't seem to wrap around that tonight. 3lansir? Can you jump in here?

~the eye level line is straight?
It looks straight. Do some mapping out of rough measurements to get the correct distance that it should be on the building.

~two vanishing points are on eye level line?
They are on the eye level line. The eye level and horizon line are the same thing. You have the vertical at the corner of the building labelled as the Horizon Line.

~trace vanishing point is directly above the vanish point on the eye level line?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'trace vanishing point'

~construction lines of the house or building are in correct perspective?
the base lines are fine. You need to adjust the apex of the roof on the left using the method 3lansir showed you to ensure that it is centred.

This site might help you figure it out a bit more. Perspective truly isn't my forte, but once you know the basics it holds most artists in good stead, as the majority of people aren't drawing intricate technical drawings.

Islander thank hun...

I will redo the windows...

Book states:

The trace vanishing point stated in the book refers to (mind you I really didn't understand this either so I will type how the book explains it and I will scan the reference photo they use for Trave Vanishing Point):
In Figure 37, the roof slants upward. The nonhorizontal parallel edges converge as they move away from the observer. The vanishing point, labeled as "TVP", lies above the eye level and to the right of the building. The position of TVP is vertically alligned above the vanishing point of the building, labeled as "Right VP." (If the plane of the roof slanted upward toward the observer, the TVP would lie below eye level.) The Vertical line extending from the eye-level vanishing point is called vertical trace, or trace line. The vanishing point for the edges of the inclined plane on the vertical trace is called trace vanishing point, (TVP) or trace point.
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SO as you can see it is very complex with the explanation. I did just receive a book I purchased from Amazon for Perspective Made Easy...So I hope it helps alittle. I am trying though. I don't want to give up til I have it right. Just to let you know I will not be on too much tomorrow. I am going to Areosmith Concert. Early birthday present. I printed out 3lansir's example drawing of the roof but I cant even get that right. I think my major problem is where the two sides of the house come together and the roof are what is throwing me off the most (plus all those danged windows!!!) I did leave a few out on purpose though. My house is just funkily shaped is all...lol its been added on to from being a small lake cottage. Anyways keep on helping..lol I have even gone so far as to print out the pointers you guys are giving me so I can keep practicing. Thanks!!!!!

oh and here is the TVP pic for reference to help explain the book term...

I don't know if you can see this or not from the picture but the view of this house from the top down would look a lot like this: The little square to the right is the top of the chimney.

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Venus, I know that you are keen to get all the bases covered on perspective but here's my take.
A lot of people get a little over anxious when it comes to this subject and end up confusing themselves. The truth is 2 point perspective is all thats needed for most pictures.

Draw a line and mark 2 vanising points anywhere on that line, now every line in your building eminates from those 2 points. raising the vertical lines above or below the horizontal will raise or lower your building...

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If you look at the pic of your house you will see that all the basic shapes come from the vanishing points.

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This is the way i do perspective, I hope this helps!

RJS

Venus, RJS has summed it up beautifully. Often times less is more.

As I've said too, unless you are getting into technical drawing, it isn't often that you need complex perspective techniques.

The less complex the better.

Thanks Rjs...Your illutration on the points really helped. I will practice later on if I do not end up going to my concert. (youngest daughter is sick today of all days...go figure) With all of you guys and gals help I should ace this thing...lol or at least I hope. Thanks again!!!!

Islander I am trying not to makeit complex I was just doing what the examination was asking for and thats all siding, windows, doors, ect. Plus it asked for the TVP and all to line up perfectly...But I will redo and send you guys my Finished 2-Pt. Drawing before I submit it in.

I wasn't criticizing Venus, just trying to make it easier for you. You do exactly what they want for this examination. I just hope the suggestions you get here help you on your way to success.

[font=Comic Sans Ms]Venus, there have been many good suggestions here and a few misleading ones. It's all confusing on paper, but if you had a guide there in person it would be easier. Here, you just have to read and re-read to let it soak in.

A couple of general things about two-point perspective...things (lines) level (parallel) with the ground go to one of the vanishing points if you extend them out. Like the foundation line, main roofline peak, top of the chimney, window bottoms and tops and all the siding on your house. They are all level with the ground. If you look at your photo, you can pretty much tell which vanishing point they each line goes toward. The gable roof lines on the left are NOT parellel to the ground, so they don't go to the vanishing points.

The things (lines) that are straight up and down (perpendicular) to the ground in the picture are straight up and down in the drawing also.

If you are doing a perspective of your house as seen in the photograph, your vanishing points are MUCH more spread out than in the drawing you have started. The farther apart they are, the less distorted your house will look, to a reasonable extent. Follow the main roofline to the left on the photo and imagine a line extended WAY past your house, then another line from the bottom foundation line also extended way to the left. Where these two lines cross is the left vanishing point in the photo. The same applies to find the right vanishing point, only the roofline won't work in this case, because it is NOT parallel to the ground. You have to use the right foundation, siding and window lines, which ARE level with the ground, to cross at the vanishing point on the right.

I don't know what the drawn lines are that are parallel to the bottom of the page on your drawing.

It's not an easy job on a two-point perspective to deal with lines that are not parallel or perpendicular to the ground, like the gable and end roof and the eaves angles. I drew lines on a copy of your photograph to give you a guide. The red lines go to the VPs and the yellow lines are eye level (where the wall siding forms a straight line) and the X-ing of the walls to locate midpoints. That's all I have time for right now. Again, read and re-read what has been written and good luck.

-- ArchGrafiX

Thanks Arch!!! I appreciate it. I copied what you said and printed out an example of your drawing too. I will study it tomorrow when i get back from the dentist. LOL

Islander...I didn't think you were critizing me hun. Sorry if you thought I sounded snappy. I had a really rough day. Baby is sick had a high temp and puking, had to get fever down, then took her to doctor where of course they said it was just a stomache virus. Then went to my concert to have to turn around and come home cause babysitter called and was scared cause she kept throwing up. Really crappy day. I didn't even get any study time in for my class.

But I just wanna let everyone know I truely appreciate all the help I am getting. ((BIG HUGS TO ALL!!!))

hay guys i have perpectitve as a unit in my art course aswell and i dont have a clue i was going to ask here but i know that u would get mad with me as you have alreadly explain to my dear friend venus Wow venus it looks so complex in the art book you have bless you i know how you feel hun! its not easy am still having prom with understanding how it works my course work explain to abit more simple but i dont still understand i cant draw 3d boxs still lol oh dear lol hope i will get there someday


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You know its great to see everyone providing such tremendously professional advise about how Venus should take care of her perspective problem. But, I believe you are all missing the main point. What Venus really needs to do is put down the artwork, go outside, and WASH THOSE DIRTY WINDOWS, GIRL!!" How can you think about posting a photo of your home without having clean windows? Sheesh! I can only think what the neighbors are saying about that.

Smile, Venus! Its not all that bad!!!
Eric

Eric you wear glasses right?? Ohh yeah there I see them on your pic, those are reflections silly. Thats was I think the last warm day we had here in Michigan and not to say my windows probably aren't dirty cause I know they are.. ...I am not going out there and using the hose to clean my windows..its Oct.12th and we have been getting SNOW off and on all day and its friggin freezing!!!!Not to mention that my lil one is still sick and very fussy and if I even thought about leaving her side she would throw a coniption fit.

Ukartist I suggest you get as much help from here and buy books that will help you on perspective. I think I bout a couple from amazon last night and one last week that I already received. Its called Perception made Easy and is pretty good. Just don't give up. I'm not.

Thank you hun

I'm glad to see you still have your sense of humor Venus.

Hey, why am I always getting put off to the next page? Doesn't anybody like me? Even Admins got it out for me!

Awwww poor Eric needs to feel some love!!!! I on the other hand need to get my butt into my perspective. Still have no idea what I am doing. I am trying to do another picture of my house tonight and post it up tomorrow.

Firstly, Eric has been off the page for quite a while now, still i'm interested how he knew he would be put on the next page before he was put there???
Crystal balls perhaps?

Venus, remember keep it simple, try not to overthink it, to quote a well known sports brand "just do it!".
I look forward to seeing your results.

RJS

Ok so I am pretty much sure that this one is more correct than the first drawing of my house I did. The siding may be off a little but at this point I really do not care. Basically I think I know enough of perspective to send this drawing in with maybe a few touch ups depending on what everyone has to say about it. So I think I will take all replies for today and if I do not here anything bad then I will submit it to my instructor through the mail tomorrow. Granted the baby is well by then. (Poor thing she has never been this sick before ) Anyways I wanted to thank everyone again for their support and help.

You did a much cleaner and crisper job on this one than on your first attempt. I can really see that what everyone has helped you with so far really shows. The only real problem that may need fixing, as it stood right out for me, is the angle midway down the chimney. The two angled sides do not match up with one another and really seem awkward. With this drawing you really can see the gradual shift in sizes of the windows and siding as the sides get further away from the main centerpoint.

Nice job, Venus!
Eric

Oh, and RJS: Where's the grainery picture? It really doesn't take rocket science! Hee, hee!

Great job Venus, i agree with Eric, one or two little things jumped out at me..
the chimney as Eric said and the windows left wall look a little uneven.
Otherwise an amazing improvement on your first attempt.

Oh, and try to make your perspective lines as faint as possible, they are guides only.
Fantastic job, well done!

RJS

By Jove, I think she's got it! Great job on this Venus. Just the little touches that others have mentioned already. Double check your chimney is symmetrical and all lines are straight. I think the right bottom side of the chimney is off a bit.

This one's a winner kiddo! And I hope the baby is getting better. Have you consulted a doctor yet?

Thanks Everyone! I will retouch the chimney and the windows to make sure they are straight and in the right proportions tonight before I go to bed. Appreciate the help.

Islander no the baby isn't doing well. I thought maybe she was getting better but nope was just a little burst of energy. I took her to the doctor the first day she got sick. She was running a fever of 105.3 (a degree added for being taken under the arm pit) and throwing up. The doctor said it was probably just a stomache virus but I know with viruses you normally don't run a fever. Fevers come with infections and though her temperature hasn't gotten as high as it was the first day she has still had a low grade fever of about 101.0. She wasn't throwing up at all yesterday and started again today. So I told my husband that pediatrician offices really aren't equipped with testing all possibilites of sickness and if she still had a fever tomorrow I was taking her to the hospital. 4 days is way to long for her to be with a fever and not eating or moving. She cries when she is moved like body aches, maybe? So lets all pray she is better tomorrow. I hate to take her to the hospital and have her poked and probed. Thank you for asking about her.

OMG I just noticed Eric's new picture with the speedo logo!!!! LMAO